the testimony, the victim impact statements. it's also, you know, tough to face somebody that did such, you know, horrific crime, you know, in her case, to her. but she's a tough woman, incredibly proud of her. chef stood up tall there as i read her statement and, i'm very proud of her. >> you stared right in his eyes. what did you see as you stared in his eyes and what was that for you? >> you know, i saw a person who certainly has, you know, major mental illness but also somebody who knew where he was and why he was there. and was a little bit defipt, i would have to say, you know, in the way he was looking at us and looking at gabby. you know, he was -- i got a sense he was trying to intimidate us a little bit. but he -- he certainly wasn't able to do that, especially with my wife. >> and you said that you were finished thinking about him now.